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Poster: xvgi Date: May 26, 2010 4:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Charlie Miller

Firstly, I am sorry for upsetting so many people. I thought at the time of posting my original comment that my question was a reasonable one but clearly I was very wrong indeed.

I realised of course that to raise such an issue might be seen as nitpicking/negative being as how it could be seen as a ‘complaint’ about something I’d got for free. But it was just something I’d wondered about and I – naively as it turns out – thought I’d air thoughts that obviously would have been best kept to myself.

I tried to make it clear that what I said wasn’t meant as a criticism - I wouldn’t have the bad manners to criticise an individual who has tirelessly done so much work for no obvious reward. But I suppose that maybe there was no way of expressing what I wanted to say without it coming across as a criticism, so I should have kept my mouth shut.

Mr Miller – I see that you claim this thread had nothing to do with your decision to cut back on your work. However, my words have clearly upset you (as, on reflection I realise they were bound to do) and I apologise for this. It wasn’t my intention to upset you or anyone else. You say ‘If you found a flaw on my source, did you email me to tel me about it?’ No – I didn’t, the reason being that I would have felt churlish, to say the least, to – as I said in my original post - ‘look a gift horse in the mouth’, ie to approach someone I don’t know but whose work I have happily availed myself of (for free), and say ‘I think you made a mistake here’. The phrase ‘I am not worthy’ comes to mind. Now I think about it, posting my comments on the forum wasn’t much more tactful, but I didn’t think of this at the time.


(Just as a bit of background – before writing my post I had been looking at
http://db.etree.org/shows where shows are discussed in such detail (ie a few seconds of digi-noise cut from one track, one second of silence removed from another track etc etc) that I thought it was quite normal to analyse what we were listening to in such depth. That was really where I was coming from – the discussions on this site were in such detail and the people doing the work were so meticulous about the smallest point, that I thought my question would be valid in that context. This is not meant to excuse what I said – just to try to explain it).

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: May 26, 2010 7:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Charlie Miller

i wouldnt worry too much about it. the amount of Charlie Miller worship on this board borders upon the sickening at times. I mean, jeeez, you would think the guy is Bono or something! ;)

but seriously, he is just a dude who enjoys circulating and reworking tapes. the obsession and deification he garners from many forumites is an ego-booster for him i am sure, but if any of my non-dead friends read all the drool-slathering genuflections bestowed upon him, it would be an embarrassment.

imho - the dude needs to get over himself

(sorry if this offends anybody)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: May 26, 2010 7:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Charlie Miller

You and Tell have pretty much nailed how I feel about this too. Frankly I couldn't give a damn about the odd click, bleep or hiss on the soundboards (how do you tell with all the missed cues and bum notes anyway?), but when one person is held in such unquestioning esteem that to even hint that he might be just a little less than perfect brings a shitstorm down on your head then we've gone wrong somewhere. No one is beyond criticism. I reckon you're not too far short of the mark when you say that Mr Miller got a bit comfortable soaking up the hero worship. It is all pretty embarrassing.

So the heck with all this. How are you, wolfie?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: May 26, 2010 7:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Charlie Miller

i am doing pretty darn fine - thanks :) was gonna email you the other day - hadnt seen you on the forum much and wanted to know how you were doing. granted, i have basically only been lurking lately and maybe you are just doing the same.

how are things on your side of the pond?? certainly hope things are going well and your creative juices have been flowing in a positive direction!

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: May 26, 2010 8:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Charlie Miller

I'm pretty much ok here and I guess doing more lurking than participating these days too. Just don't feel motivated to contribute as often as I used to. The email thing sounds like a good idea - let's do that some time soon.

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Poster: shorthopper88 Date: May 26, 2010 2:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Charlie Miller

From my perspective, no worries man. I thought it was a completely respectful thread. Were allowed to debate and voice our opinions here, aren't we? Theirs no way you could have known that Charlie Miller was going to throw a hissy fit about it. Lets admit it, he overreacted, he was out of line to take it so personally and react in the childish way he did. Just because he's Charlie Miller doesn't mean he is exempt from criticism. Hell, we've probably criticized every member of the Grateful Dead on this forum, and you don't see them throwing tantrums on internet forums. He and everyone should remember that we can say whatever we want on this forum, and at the end of the day, its just an internet forum.

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Poster: CharlieMiller Date: May 27, 2010 10:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Charlie Miller

I didn't throw a hissy fit. My point was that if you found a flaw in one of my sources, you should have contacted me about it so i could fix it.

With all the stupidity that goes on here, I rarely read this page, but every now and then i come by to see if i could help by offering some info.

As I said, my choice to stop circulating uncirculated sbd's had nothing to do with this thread. It was a choice i made a few days ago.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: May 26, 2010 2:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Charlie Miller

It's OK to be critical of Charlie's remasters, just dont ever give any of Hunter Seamons matrices a bad review!

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Poster: Daddy D Date: May 26, 2010 4:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Charlie Miller

wow . . . no more CM boards?? F me! Say it 'aint so!!

How long do I have before withdrawal symptoms begin to show??

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Poster: CharlieMiller Date: May 26, 2010 7:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Charlie Miller

My email address is in every info file I out out, so there are over 1,000 files with the email addy in it. Luckily, I still have the same email address i got over 10 years ago.

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Poster: deadhead53 Date: May 26, 2010 4:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Charlie Miller

You know, why do people have to open their mouths on issues that do not need to be dealt with. Mr. Miller has given so much to this community and I personally love his boards, they are the only ones I get but to call someone out on shows that you percieve may be imperfect, well is ridiculous. This really irritates me, to read Mr. Miller's posts, one can tell his is upset and with good reason. Here's the solutuion if you don't like what he puts out find another source to use!

Mr. Miller I hope you reconsider but if you don't thank you so much for the sbd's you have put out. I really enjoy listening to what you upload here!

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Poster: light into ashes Date: May 26, 2010 4:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Charlie Miller

I'd also like to apologize....I think I've been snitty in this thread as well.
Although I wasn't thrilled with the original post, that's mainly to do with my own temperament (I'm not a perfect-sound-quality fiend myself) - it was at least a justifiable attempt to start a discussion.
But when I saw Mr Miller (who usually, if you've seen his posts, writes only a few words) go on at length about how upset he was, and that he wasn't going to put out any more new SBDs - I admit, it put me in a very foul mood, and I'm still in grief at that news. Whatever his reason is.
I wish there were more people like him, who could uncover new Dead sources for everyone.